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music321

USA
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Posted - 05/31/2016 :  20:37:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,

I've had MAJOR issues with fibromyalgia for years. I couldn't walk for a long period. I've come to accept TMS, and have read all of Sarno's books. In The Divided Mind Sarno States that 80% of people get better upon hearing of the psychosomatic cause of their problem. The other 20% either doesn't get better, or experiences a symptom substitution. For this latter 20%, he recommends pyschoanalysis, and most recover.

I've been seeing a licensed clinical social worker for about 2.5 yrs, and she's helped me quite a bit, both in terms of restructuring my outlook on life, and teaching me psychological techniques for calming myself, etc. However, I still have TMS.

My home situation is stressful, I can't get a better job to afford to leave because of TMS, and I haven't been able to get social security disability. I spoke with a well-regarded TMS psychologist and was told that the cost per session was $250 (insurance not accepted). For me to regain control of my life, this would be money well spent. However, my gut tells me that I can get over my problems without spending this kind of money.

Interestingly, I took a vacation for the first time in many years recently. Many of my symptoms improved, and the improvements are still with me. Part of me thinks that once I leave my poor home environment, things might get better. Another part of me knows that the home environment isn't the whole reason for my problems, and that irrespective of leaving, I still need to fix myself.

Can anyone offer any advice? Thanks.

Dave

USA
1863 Posts

Posted - 06/07/2016 :  11:34:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Seems you have a good handle on TMS and how it applies to you.

I would not get hung up on Dr. Sarno's statistics. My personal experience, as well as many on this forum, is that it takes a lot of time and continued focus to recover.

It is important to take a long-term view and not put a timetable on recovery. Psychoanalysis can be helpful but not essential.

In my opinion the most important part is to recondition your response to the pain, and not to find the root causes (which is impossible anyway). You can try to address the things in your life that are likely to be the sources, but for those you cannot, acceptance is key.
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hope808

USA
27 Posts

Posted - 09/04/2018 :  09:32:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I recommend the Neuroplastic Transformation Workbook by Michael Moskowitz MD and Marla Golden DO. Their work has been highlighted by Norman Doidge. It is both practical and consistent with Dr. Sarno's approach.
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Scottydog

United Kingdom
329 Posts

Posted - 11/24/2018 :  02:31:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I went to see a counsellor years ago who was an ME counsellor using Dr Mickel's methods. They've had lots of success, though are possibly out of fashion now as I never hear about it these days. But there is stuff online and a booklet available I think.
I was a people pleaser and also appearing to be a kind and good person ie so that people thought well of me, was very important.
The counsellor gave me simple Keys to Health:-
Key 1 : Say 'no more' to unfair treatment by using loving disallowance.
Key 2: Communicate your feelings honestly.
Key 3: Put your needs first (at all times).

I see there are some blogs explaining this online so I won't say more. I'm not saying sign up with an expensive counsellor but just that I found this helpful for me, and there is more online if you want to read it.
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tennis tom

USA
4579 Posts

Posted - 11/24/2018 :  04:38:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't know how this "ghost thread" popped up, but if the OP is still seeking TMS help, IMHO seeing a non-TMS therapist is a crap-shoot, you may get better or, you may not, and spend lots of money and waste lots of time. In my experience with TMS specific therapists, they understand the nature of the problem, cut to the chase, and guide YOU to fixing it--understanding the TMS concept is the solution to guiding YOU to change your thinking about "the problem".

There are many TMS therapists doing phone or skype sessions. If money is an object, ask about discounted costs, sliding scale, working with a TMS therapist doing an internship, and there's currently one generously giving free introductory sessions as he establishes himself as a TMS therapist. A noted TMS therapist told me that he never had to give more then a dozen sessions in order to get the TMS "KNOWLEDGE PENICILLIN" message across.

Seeing a non-TMS savvy therapist is a crap shoot, like taking your BMW to an Audi dealer to get it fixed--they may be able to eventually repair it--but it will likely take longer because it's not what they are experienced in working on, on a daily basis--why re-invent the wheel? Sometimes "saving money" in the short-run winds up costing you more time and money in the long-run.

g'luck!
tt

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TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale

Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605

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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti

"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown

“You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation” – Plato

"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst

"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto

"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter

"...the human emotional system was not designed to endure the mental rigors of a tennis match." Dr. Allen Fox

"Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise" - Thomas Gray

"All my friends in Los Angeles are the sensitive type. They all have like all the diseases like Chronic Fatigue, Epstien Barr, Fibromyalgia. Like all the diseases where the only symptoms seem to be you had a really crappy childhood and at the prospect of full time work ya feel kinda achy and tired."

Posted by Skizzik @ TMSHelp from comedian Maria Bamford

"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthuisam."
Sir Winston Churchill

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"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod

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TMS PRACTITIONERS:

John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035

Dr. Sarno is now retired, if you call this number you will be referred to his associate Dr. Rashbaum.

"...there are so many things little and big that are tms, I wouldn't have time to write about all of them": Told to icelikeaninja by Dr. Sarno



Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm

Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist



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tennis tom

USA
4579 Posts

Posted - 11/24/2018 :  06:15:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here's a link to a free TMS session :

http://www.tmswiki.org/forum/threads/free-30-min-tms-coaching-session-tambi%C3%A9n-en-espa%C3%B1ol.19901/
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alix

USA
426 Posts

Posted - 12/05/2018 :  14:19:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by tennis tom

A noted TMS therapist told me that he never had to give more then a dozen sessions in order to get the TMS "KNOWLEDGE PENICILLIN" message across.
tt



It is a fallacy that you keep repeating Tom. You are referring to Don Dubin.

Dubin said that because he sold blocks of 12 sessions at a time and people would simply not renew for another dozen sessions.

I had 24 sessions with Don and 2 friends had 24 and 12 sessions respectively. None of us improved under his care.
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tennis tom

USA
4579 Posts

Posted - 12/05/2018 :  19:15:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I had three sessions with him and had great improvement. He NEVER attempted to sell be a block of sessions. I DON'T believe you! This is an internet message board and anyone can say anything they want with NO proof. Shame on you for defaming a very good person and a great TMS practitioner who is now deceased.

So do you and your friends still have TMS? If your symptoms are cured, why don't you HELP those still suffering and tell us what "cured" you.

If anyone wants to hear Don Dubin, he appears on Dr. Schecheter's tapes which may still be available.
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altherunner

Canada
475 Posts

Posted - 12/05/2018 :  20:51:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Tom - I had 3 sessions with Don Dubin also, he helped me after a relapse and the 3rd session was more of a review, I was much better and he said I didn't need more therapy.
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tennis tom

USA
4579 Posts

Posted - 12/05/2018 :  21:42:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you so much for the corroboration on Don Dubin, he was a very dear man.

Happy Holidays!
tt
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alix

USA
426 Posts

Posted - 02/05/2019 :  22:23:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Tennis Tom,

Exactly how am I defaming Don Dubin?

I repeat, he sold me 12 sessions at a discount. I did it twice for a total of 24 sessions. He was very nice. Very well versed in Jewish history. He however did not manage to help me.

How are you helping people exactly when you mostly talk to yourself on this forum?
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tennis tom

USA
4579 Posts

Posted - 02/09/2019 :  10:02:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by alix

Tennis Tom,

Exactly how am I defaming Don Dubin?

I repeat, he sold me 12 sessions at a discount. I did it twice for a total of 24 sessions. He was very nice. Very well versed in Jewish history. He however did not manage to help me.

How are you helping people exactly when you mostly talk to yourself on this forum?



It took you three months to reply!?!--Maybe you're just a slow learner--give it time Alix! Remember Edna St. Vincent Millay's great quote in Dr. Sarno's book :

"Pity me that the heart is slow to learn
What the swift mind beholds at every turn."

The GOOD DOCTOR knew that his TMS approach was not right for everyone, so he carefully vetted potential patients who were psychologically amenable, so as not to waste anyone's time or money. Some, probably MOST, need their TMS symptoms as a "PROTECTOR". A protective psychological DEFENSE MECHANISM, from having to deal with their more painfully perceived emotional issues.

So are you "cured"? If not, maybe you need to go over to the TMS wiki--there are a lot of nice people over there. I'm not here to help anybody in particular--TMS is my hobby.

==================================================

TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale

Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605

==================================================

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti

"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown

“You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation” – Plato

"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst

"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto

"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter

"...the human emotional system was not designed to endure the mental rigors of a tennis match." Dr. Allen Fox

"Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise" - Thomas Gray

"All my friends in Los Angeles are the sensitive type. They all have like all the diseases like Chronic Fatigue, Epstien Barr, Fibromyalgia. Like all the diseases where the only symptoms seem to be you had a really crappy childhood and at the prospect of full time work ya feel kinda achy and tired."

Posted by Skizzik @ TMSHelp from comedian Maria Bamford

"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthuisam."
Sir Winston Churchill

======================================================

"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod

=================================================


TMS PRACTITIONERS:

John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035

Dr. Sarno is now retired, if you call this number you will be referred to his associate Dr. Rashbaum.

"...there are so many things little and big that are tms, I wouldn't have time to write about all of them": Told to icelikeaninja by Dr. Sarno



Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm

Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist



Edited by - tennis tom on 02/13/2019 13:05:38
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